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Post by Host on Dec 7, 2011 8:47:50 GMT -5
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Post by Hanna on Dec 7, 2011 23:43:50 GMT -5
Hello Jury!
First of all, let's make one thing clear: This game was not me and Alma. It was me and Olivia, even though I helped Alma a lot to get here. I got here with a really tough road. I was a constant target round after round and paranoia made me really irritating to some of you. I'm sorry about that. I'm not a big villain at heart, even though that's the reputation I had. I'm just smart and I play with strategy and I protected myself to guarantee myself a spot here. I had no intentions of playing aggresively. You want to know exactly what was going on? Then read what is in ITALIC:
THETA PI:
This game started with men vs. women, and I quickly had an alliance with Olivia and Pam. However, another alliance formed itself almost as fast as we were divided into two tribes: ALMA, NEEDY, OLIVIA, JESSICA and DANNI. [That's Olivia who told me.] I was also, with Jenna the inactive, the number one target. Being Needy's rival did not really help at all.
So that's where I took a big risk, just one lie that could potentially turn this game completely differently. I was hesitant doing it, unsure of the consequences I would face: Knowing Alma is somebody that does not shut up, I used the information I had and decided to make them believe that Alma told me their whole alliance thing. That was like an explosion, Alma and her alliance had drama, and while Olivia was telling me what was going on, Alma got kicked out of her own alliance.
I got a bit closer to Danni, but I knew it was only a matter of time before she went after me. I now had two easier targets in front of me: Jenna and Alma
So Jenna went home, then I only had Alma left in front of me to take the chop.
Our tribe was now formed of: Me, Alma, Eric, Brandon, Olivia, Needy, Jessica, Danni. We formed an alliance of Me, Eric, Brandon and Olivia. Although it was not very tight, we had a common goal for that tribal council and I was the glue that held it together. Knowing we were eight and we had four votes, no need to get a fifth vote, I just did whatever I could to make Danni and Olivia push for Alma to go, forcing Needy to go 4-3-1 but Alma self-voted so I expected Needy and Alma just not voting in a re-vote and we win the revote. However, that got even easier than expected when they surprisingly splitted the vote, making it 4-2-2.
With Needy going and Alma seeing she was being backstabbed, she decided to join me. With my alliance of four plus Alma plus Pam on the other tribe, I felt like I finally got out of the trouble I was. And now, I no longer had to find cracks, it was now my turn, being in a good position, to make sure the ennemy never find a crack in my fortifications.
DELTA NU:
So there we go, I was thinking with nine people left and two idols in my pocket I would easily run this thing, no... SURPRISE! Needy had to come back, ready for vengence. Big slap in the face. I associated Dylan, Sam, Needy, Tammy and Jessica as people who could definitely vote me off anytime. And I had to make sure it does not happen.
First tribal council, simple: Olivia wins Immunity, I knew Brandon was not going, if Eric goes home I get a new idol for a revenger move and that left me and Alma. So we both came up with idols, therefore, whoever goes, that will keep me safe. And we chose Sam because he was the biggest threat. Also, Brandon constantly talked about not wanting Sam out and I did not want him to rejoin him to then backstab me.
Then, the next tribal, I knew Jessica and Olivia were close and this was probably one of my most vulnerable moment. Olivia wanted to keep her hands clean and vote Eric, while the others vote me. In the worse case of scenario, would of been 4-4-1, she kept talking about wanting Brandon out eventually so I decided to hand him my HII. It really could of turned into a nightmare, but I did it. Jessica and Olivia got split up.
Then Needy quit. Tammy and Dylan were last ones standing. Obviously, I voted Tammy out first because Dylan had not voted for me at all yet, so that made me feel a little bit more secure keeping him over Tammy.
Being down to six, Alma absolutely wanted Brandon out and handed Dylan an idol, Brandon was going to be AUTO-OUT. The beneficial side of it was that I felt like he was a bigger threat than Dylan for the challenge at Final Five.
So obviously, Dylan had to go after.
This game really ran fast, as we were down to four. I thought I would pull a really good one but I did not. Alma won, and she decided that she was turning on me. That was really frustrating, because I really thought either Eric or Olivia would try to 2-1-1 me. Olivia really wanted Eric out and Eric wanted Olivia out. I felt like both of them could be jury threats more than me... and I really wanted to make sure I am voting for whoever will guarantee me the most at least a 2-2. Olivia was really fishy to me because she constantly was letting Alma think she was voting with her, making two versions while Eric really proved me he was voting with me when I was comparing the conversations. If I was voting with Olivia, I felt like she could just flip her vote on me and I'm going. I know she plays strategically and that's what threatened me. Had Alma voted Eric with her, I probably would of retracted my vote in the re-vote knowing Olivia was not liked by a couple of jurors, knowing that I would be safe and don't have to worry to make sure I'm staying with a majority of votes. I did feel guilty backstabbing Olivia but I just can't really go back in time now.[/color]
So that's it, that was my game, as you can see, I did whatever I had to do to make sure that nobody comes in my way.
Alma does not deserve to win this game, let's face it, strategically, I completely kicked her out of her own alliance, she licked my butt, I saved her many times when I could of just dumped her into the garbage, and DESPITE ALL OF THAT, instead of being grateful for that, she was bullying people on a personal level. I think she's quite lucky she had somebody to help her because seriously, there are many moments where I would of just said okay look I'm done with you. You guys were not the only one to have problems with her, I often had fights with her and I had to endure her as much as you. Reward her and you reward a bully.
Eric does not deserve to win this game either. He never contributed to the strategy, never even tried in a challenge and did not even spend time talking to the people. Did I take him to the end only because of that? No. He is here because he's one of those I could trust and when final four came I had to vote with whoever I was the most guaranteed to be safe. Was he a help in me staying in the game? Of course he was. However, as you could see, he was constantly secondary target, would he really have survived out here without me? Don't think so. I was the glue that held Brandon, Myself, Olivia, Him and Alma together, without me, everything would of looked bad for him. So why should he be rewarded for that? Reward him and you reward laziness.
Hopefully, you will understand Hanna's gameplay and understand the intentions behind my actions and moves. I've played this game to my fullest unlike Eric and I never intended hurting anyone like Alma did.
I will do a pleasure answering your questions even if you don't like me. Good luck with your decision.
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Post by Alma Moore on Dec 8, 2011 0:10:53 GMT -5
Hi Jury, and my fellow finalists. My name is Alma, as you all know, and I played this game alone. I worked with some help of Hanna, and many others, but this was always my game. I never once let anyone else control my moves. I did what was best for me. If that went along with other plans, that's what happened. I was never with Hanna as a link or a specific duo, but I did make it seem that way. She helped my game, and I helped hers. I appreciate that. I was never playing this game with her. I was playing alone. This is my game, and I'm here to explain it.
Look back to two months ago, when we first signed up for this game. I was fresh off of Survivor Horror: All-Stars playing as Laurie Strode. I played as Laurie first over a year ago in April of 2010, all the way back in Horror One. I've waited for this day to come for over a year and a half. I've dreamed that one day I'd be here. I made some enemies in All-Stars, so I came into Eight with the intention of playing under an alias. That never did pan out. I was followed into this game by Dean, my friend outside of this game. At first, I didn't tell him that I was even playing. I didn't want to be attached to him in this game. I didn't want him to hold back my game. I was fortunate that he was never a part of my game, but I still feel bad that he has yet to merge in this game. I soon revealed my identity to the other members of my tribe and my large five person alliance, but I was careful about how that may come to Dean. I soon told him, but I didn't want to work with him.
Yes, before the first Immunity challenge, I was involved with a large alliance consisting of Needy, Jessica, Olivia, Danni, and myself. We didn't last too long, but while we were together, we were a legitimate threat. We won the first several immunity challenges as a tribe and we were on a nice streak. I like to think I was strong in challenges too, before I was playing for my life.
Before long, I was made aware that I had apparently told Hanna about my alliance. I denied it at first, Needy did not believe me. I was slowly kicked out of my alliance without notice. I vehemontly denied it at first, but then I asked Hanna why she was lying. She said she wasn't. She accused me of being crazy, and I started to believe her. Hanna bullied me into submission. She tricked me into believing I had a very serious mental disorder. I ended up on the verge of quitting out of fear for my own psychological safety. I broought this up with Hostface and he talked me out of it. I believed Hanna, and this left a mark on my game. I may have bullied you, but think about it, maybe I was forced into my role of a bully. Can we be so sure that Hanna didn't force my hand? Can you say to yourself surely that if Hanna would bully someone into believing they are crazy, she couldn't force someone to bully others for her own game?
How do any of you know that I didn't fight for Hanna? Whose to say she wasn't feeding me information? You don't. I'd like to leave that thought in your mind to sink in for a while.
Now, I was a target for a good few weeks. Then, Hanna and I ended up voting together. I made fake idols.
First of all, I want to address the slander Hanna is throwing out. No, it was never Hanna and I. I never once thought of it as that. It was Alma and I. Alma is a separate part of who I am. I never once played this game with Hanna's best interest in mine. It was my best interest to get where I am. I used her the way she used me, but I did it better.
Hanna's trying to make herself seem to be a mastermind for getting me kicked out. No, she didn't just trick my alliance into believing I said things. She attempted and succeeding in tricking me into believing I told her about my alliance. So, in regards to that last part of her statement, I think you did come into this wanting to hurt this. You repeatedly targeted my mental and emotional fragility and you used that to your best ability. You tricked me into believing I had a very serious mental disorder.
Now, I was never an easy target, as Hanna likes to make me out to be. I played as hard and as well as she did. It was not her who conceived the thought of blindsiding Sam, but she did help follow through, it was I. I am not taking full credit at all, but I'm demanding my fair share for something she is passing off as her own. I never chose Sam as the biggest threat. I targeted him because he was Needy's legs. Without Sam, Needy was nothing in this game. So, as Naonka to Kelly, I shoved the leg beneath her, and she came tumbling down.
Also, I didn't join her because I was being backstabbed. It was always me against everyone else. I knew I was being targeted. I had an idol, so I didn't give a fuck. This was the week where I did some things I am very proud of. I made tons of fake idols, and one idol that Hostface ended up making real for me, and I gave them away. This assisted certain people in voting off Pam, because someone gave her one of their fake idols, and she played it.
Now, I was never in this large alliance as they say I was. I was working with Hanna occasionally, but I was never part of their alliance nor was I ever aware of such an alliance at first. I had suspicions, but nothing concrete ever arose before Brandon was voted off.
Dylan was kept in my mind because he was weakest without Tammy and Needy. This was nothing about him being my friend. But, I did use him as piece to get where I am by playing my idol on him. It wasn't even about Brandon being out. It was so he would maybe be grateful and not vote for me while I was vulnerable. At this point in the vote, I was very nervous about the vote. This was when I realized that Olivia was the one who told Hanna, and this was when I asked Hanna about it. I realized that I was in Hanna's game as a pawn. But that's the thing, I never was. I saved her game on several occasions, so I don't like being called the weaker player.
Also, our fights were because she is unable of telling a story straight and incapable of holding a poker face. Her true motives became clear, and it was out of necessity that she's even here.
In the final four, as it always was in my plan, I was to win the endurance challenge at any cost and attempt to sway the other two into voting off Hanna. When this ended up being Olivia and Eric, I soon wished I had brought Dylan over instead of Eric, who was just here in my game as the floater. But I guess when Hanna betrayed her BFF Olivia, it was cute. Now she's trying to make up for what she did by contradicting remarks she made to me last night. I was still her number one. And you know, Hanna always agreed with me when I said Olivia should go at final four, so I guess Hanna came through, Olivia.
Now, is Hanna such a saint as she calls?
What has Eric done all season? I'm simply curious. He claims he made moves, but he doesn't specifically state any. Is this because he can't think of any?
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Post by Hanna on Dec 8, 2011 0:26:33 GMT -5
It would be nice you explain how you did it better.
No, this is the order of things:
EPISODE 2: I told Jessica you told me about the alliance. EPISODE 3: Tammy ratted me out to Needy about me knowing about the alliance and Needy accusated you right away. EPISODE 4: THEN you came up to me and asked me why I was spreading rumours on you and that's where I tried to make you believe you told me and forgot and just to prove your intelligence you confirmed to be believing it.
It's all in my confessionals and if I have to show them by request from anyone I will. I have nothing to hide in them.
What the fuck are you saying? The tribal council Needy went, you were their target #1 and they only splitted between me and you because they thought I would tell you to use the idol. You WERE a target. Also, Brandon was after you. The opposite alliance was after you. And much more, nobody here trusted you. Not one, and you could be a target anytime.
Okay look relax with your NaOnka, thats not because I told you you reminded me of Nay that you have to see her as your idol now. No I am not taking full credit of it, sorry if it seemed that way but I showed the reasons why HANNA thought it was best for her to get Sam out. Before we switched our vote to Sam, the vote was for Jessica. The reason to get Jessica out was split Olivia/Jessica and to vote out Sam it was to prevent Brandon from flipping to him. That still comes down to the same thing.
In actually, that's Olivia who switched the whole thing to Sam, which I agreed because I believed it was better for me.
Everybody knew they were fake idols, wtf.
Are you crazy? Pam QUIT the game and handed me her Hidden Immunity Idol before leaving, and I have a proof convo about it.
I never said you were in the alliance. I said the alliance was Hanna, Olivia, Eric and Brandon. You were just my side deal which created a five-way spiderweb for me...
Had you not saved me, do you really think you would of made it? I doubt it.
Our fights were from you because you're completely psycho. You never even made any sense in any of your fights and you were going off for like what reasons? I never understood you at all.
How would you have brought Dylan there? Explain it please.
Yes I played all sides telling you it was me, you, Eric. Told Olivia it was me her and you. Told Eric it was me him and Olivia.
But so what? That's the game and that's not because I said that to YOU that it's what it is. I realized by the end that Olivia was a better person to take in the end but I stopped trusting her because she was always telling you to vote for me. I can even pop out my confessional from that round that totally proves I was scared.
I'm not a Saint, I play for myself and I want to prove the jury that ONE, I played a good game and that TWO, I never attempted to hurt anyone.
Now maybe you should explain the jury how bullying was beneficial for you.
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Post by Alma Moore on Dec 8, 2011 0:37:19 GMT -5
There's a method to my madness.
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Post by Alma Moore on Dec 8, 2011 2:16:18 GMT -5
Hanna quit the final immunity challenge to let me win.
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Post by Hanna on Dec 8, 2011 8:00:06 GMT -5
I wanted you to the finales one way or another, that's no secret and I was not able to continue the challenge, now any other points to come up in the middle of the night?
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Post by Alma Moore on Dec 8, 2011 8:01:49 GMT -5
Guess we'll see soon if you were wise to give up the challenge that could win you the game.
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Post by Host on Dec 8, 2011 22:55:26 GMT -5
I'll open JURY QUESTIONS tomorrow morning
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Post by Eric on Dec 9, 2011 0:25:19 GMT -5
Hey jury <3 This has been a fun game for me! I'm happy I played and glad I got the chance to play with all of you. I played this game truthfully and as myself. I didn't lie or deceive players or need to get the finals. This just goes to show that you don't have to play a deceitful game to earn yourself a spot in the finals. I got myself into an alliance with Hanna early on in the game because I saw her as a player who had a lot of connections and pull. She told me she knew a lot of players and played in past games in this series. I thought this as a great move for me as it turned out to be. Hanna was a huge character during the game and kept the spotlight off of me. I never needed to be overly vocal on the board, and I never needed to stir up drama like many players did. While I didn't emerge myself in the spotlight I still had a hand in making decisions and moves in the game. At any time I could have jumped sides (if I saw it needed) and continued on in the game. But that didn't happen because I saw my position in the game very secure. I also never bullied anyone in the game, unlike some others... I look forward to your questions jurors <3 - Eric
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Post by Alma Moore on Dec 9, 2011 2:22:47 GMT -5
I edited my Opening Statement into my first post.
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Post by Hanna on Dec 9, 2011 12:12:11 GMT -5
I feel kind of sorry for going after your opening but I did it to Alma so I have to be fair. Following me wasn't necessarly the best move for Eric, because I repeatedly told myself if I have so sacrify one of my allies, Eric will be the first one, and I kept him by the end for the reason that he proved better to be voting with me at the final than Olivia that I started distrusting and I never had to sacrify one of my allies because all our plans worked well along the way. I think his best move would of been to work with Olivia rather than with me. I think he would of been in a better position that way and would of had much better credits for his strategic gameplay. And even if "Sticking to me because I appeared to have power" appeared to be a good move for him, Alma did the same to me, and I think she played me better than Eric did because I had very often doubted Eric and almost never doubted Alma until the Final Four. So if that's a factor for getting a jury vote, then you should probably switch to Alma, but unfortunately, you probably don't want to vote for her, therefore, you shouldn't take it in account. */ No longer replying the statement /* -- Also, as a side note, if I'm perceived as a deceitful player who used lies to get my way to the end, let's take note that I have not lied just to abuse of people. My pre-merge lie was because I was in a hole of trouble, and I didn't even do anything to be in trouble, I was just "not there" the first night, and you know Jeff Probst's quote: "Early moves will dictate the rest of the game.", so I couldn't just sit there and hope for the best. I had to make a move before it becomes too late. Just like when Sandra Diaz-Twine pulled a lie against Coach, that sealed her fate for the rest of the game and that made her win as little of a move as it seemed. Then once I got to my good position and had to pick off the other side, I did not really lie to them, they knew what I was doing: I was picking them off because they were trying to do the same thing to me. Then once it was down to my alliances, that's where you need to make your smart choices. How can I be judged on the choices that I make to guarantee myself a spot in the finales? Like really, I'm scratching my head why some people would see me as a deceitful player. Good Luck with Jury Questioning Eric and Alma.
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